Beware of P2P (P-2-P Network)

by Tony Clifton

It came to my attention (mostly from the comments on our Minvestment interview) that some people are now pushing around a supposingly ultra private program called P2P (P-2-P Network or Pathway 2 Prosperity). This program is so private that you should not even mention its name (reminds so much of KUM Scam).

As I have zero respect to ponzi scammers, I will talk about the "program". You can visit its site at its website.

P2P Is A Ponzi Scam

Just see at their offer: with "investment" of $100 you are promised to earn 1.5% daily for 7 days, 1.75% daily for 15 days, 2% daily for 30 days or 2.67% daily for 60 days.

This ridiculous ROI of course comes together with investing with e-currencies:

"We accept "Deposits" via "Solid Trust Pay" and "Alert Pay" ONLY".

Now prepare for some fun. They ask themselves in the FAQ if P2P is a HYIP (of course it is for Christ's Sake!). Their answer is:

No - never! If you read the content of "P-2-P Network"..... you will see that we do not believe in H.Y.I.P.'s and the systems that 99% of these operators follow.

So what is the system that you follow, mr "Nick"?? It's exactly the same and that's so obvious.

Of course there is a referral program like in every other ponzi scam. Of course there is prohibition to talk in public about this "private program" like it was with some of the hugest scams in the HYIP history.

Hypocrite or Idiot?

If you claim that P2P is real, you are either hipocrite or an idiot (or both). You are an idiot because you believe someone will pay you 2% + daily on good will. You are hipocrite because you know very well this is a ponzi scam, but you keep bullshitting about it hoping to drive in more suckers for referral money or just to keep the ponzi going longer.

If you are sane beware of this scam. It will crash pretty soon so it's not worth it even to be played as a ponzi.

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moneylove at Oct, 27 '08 16:52
You are correct. We will give them 24 hours if not up my gas money is gone.
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Matt Law at Oct, 29 '08 07:27
Funny, it's still available in the UK. Then again, our OFT and FSA don't appear to be tackling this issue.. So I can only guess they've shut it down in the USA, but the rest of the world is still open for the taking.
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moneylove at Oct, 29 '08 15:39
It was down only for a couple of hours. Like I said give it 24 hours and guess what it was back up
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Sean at Oct, 30 '08 13:26
Does this mean the site is still viable....
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moneylove at Oct, 30 '08 16:19
Yes there are stii issues but it is still running
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allan birmantas at Nov, 10 '08 18:33
The assertion that p-2-p website is down is not true.My wife accessed it just a few minutes ago.
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moneylove at Nov, 10 '08 18:53
P2P is fine it is not down things are moving slowly but all the bugs and problems are being worked out i have not had any issues and do to reinvest at the end of the week
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skywalker at Nov, 17 '08 15:43
Do all you characters think that no one's site has EVER been down for a couple hours? You think that if a company's site is down due to IT tech problems that THEY ARE OUT OF BUSINESS? AT&T's site's been down before. ARe they out of business? Folks, I am not in P2P and have never been. I'm just writing because it burns my butt when people like this Clifton character makes a judgment on something he knows nothing about, has never tried it, has never been burnt, but thinks he knows it all. Why? I have no clue. GET YOUR FACTS FIRST! If you say, yes, I joined it, they took my money and disappeared, THEN YOU CAN SAY, YES IT'S A SCAM. If that hasn't happened, then shut-up. Or maybe you've tried some stuff on the internet and were not successful. Well, maybe you are a loser that can't make stuff happen. If that is the case, don't blame it on everything and everybody else being a scam. Sorry, guys, I'm just so tired of all those people who say, IT'S A SCAM. And you say, have you tried it? No. Have you investigated it? No. Have you been scammed? No. THEN HOW DO YOU KNOW IT'S A SCAM???? Duh????
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moneylove at Nov, 17 '08 16:00
Exactly this is an ivestment and like every other investment you take a risk. The return on my 401k is now at a -38%. My company is matching my investment this year but do I say I have been scamed NO. I just reinvested in P2P and like I said before so far I have had no problems. I invested what I could afford to lose. Just like the money I spend when I go to a casino. Thank you skywalker.
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moneylove at Nov, 17 '08 16:00
Exactly this is an ivestment and like every other investment you take a risk. The return on my 401k is now at a -38%. My company is matching my investment this year but do I say I have been scamed NO. I just reinvested in P2P and like I said before so far I have had no problems. I invested what I could afford to lose. Just like the money I spend when I go to a casino. Thank you skywalker.
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skywalker at Nov, 17 '08 17:47
Moneylove, you get it. But I'm afraid there are lots of people out there who don't and never will. Your logic is flawless too. You're right. Should you go to your company's 401k and say, "SCAM, SCAM, SCAM!" Thank you as well for your intelligence!
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moneylove at Nov, 18 '08 19:41
Let me tell you i have a my own company and we sell photo to canvas paintings. All a person has to to is send me their name and address and I send them a kit and everything they need to get started at no cost. They invest nothing. They send me the pictures I produce the finished product bill then and ship it to them . They can charge their customers any thing they want. One guy last year made $2000 just selling in his office alone during the holiday season I ask for no investment I ask for nothing. Most people make $500 to $600 dollars thier first week just selling to their friends and family on a zero investment all they are doing is sending me photos and their are some people who think this is a scam. What can you do. As far as P2P I flipped my money last week for the first time if it is a scam all I lose is $200 if not then my life will be easier. People just have to learn to play it smart.Everyone is looking for some get rich quick scheme. It just does not exsist. I wont see any great profits for at least another 6 months but that is what investments are all about . It takes time
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Jim Alloy at Dec, 05 '08 02:34
You all are dumb Asses! No FDIC insured or protected by Federal Trade Commission. If you look at the facts wthin the economy today; starting in early 2007... up until now the large well known investment corporation that have gone under or in financial trouble today.... Merrill Lynch "the big bull of financial management and advisories".... and others have gone under! Look out for the big lady in Cleveland, Ohio that goes around recruiting for these type of scams for over 10 years... Louis Lee out of Cleveland, Ohio. She claims to be such a christian lady, her and her scam team. She is always in a Ponzi Scheme!
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Ace Baker at Mar, 22 '09 15:27
Nick Smirnow and P-2-P is in fact a bonifide ponzi scam, Mr Smirnow is currently wanted by the Ontario Provincial Police in Canada for fraud in relation to his online ponzi scam, he is believed to be abroad currently in Malaysia avoiding the authorities. Any persons who have invested $ with P-2-P and have been victimized are asked to contact Detective Andy Muller, Ontario Provincial Police, Huntsville Ontario Canada at 705-789-5551 or email Andrew.Muller(at)ontario.ca. Don't forget to give them Chris Balsdon's name too when you contact them. Chris Balsdon ( chris007 ) Vanguard Design 886 Strasburg Rd Kitchener, Ontario N2E 2K4 Canada (519) 569-7035
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Ace Baker at Mar, 22 '09 15:34
1) This Ponzi isn't making the promised refunds which were supposed to have started in December 2008. 2 ) Hasn't paid anyone anything since 23rd October 2008. 3) Is now almost 300 days behind with payouts. 4) CEO is MIA. Hasn’t posted anything for months! 5) Replacement CEO is MIA. 6) Energy bank was and is a total flop. Dropped by the original processors. Quote: UPDATE: 1/2/2009 To P2P clients and users: Please be advised that effective December 19, 2008, International Payout Systems ("i-Payout Systems") is no longer processing the transactions of P2P Energy, its clients, or account holders. On December 19, 2008, i-Payout Systems terminated its processing services contract with P2P Energy and transferred all associated P2P accounts to another processor. 7) Members own funds are being removed from energy and put into the black hole once known as P2P ! 8) Forum is shut down except for nonsense chit chat. 9) Updates are meaningless because they never happen. Last useless update was March the 15th informing members where to look for previous updates. A far cry from the promised DAILY updates. 10) Head moderator 007 (Chris Balsdon) has been sacked. 11) Cease and desist orders ignored and CEO and P2P are under investigation. ONWARD AND DOWNWARD!
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Gene Miller at Mar, 27 '09 23:05
Is Detective Andy Muller also receiving receiving information from American Citizens that have been victimized by P2P? Is there anyone in the US that is receiving this information? Thank You
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Ace Baker at Mar, 28 '09 07:33
As far as I know, he is not. I don't have a dog in this fight, but I suggest you try and contact other victims and see what legal avenues they are pursuing. I do know that records are being turned over, and if you made money from this scam, you could be required to return it to a victims fund. Good luck. Here is more proof of 'Nick' and his scam. Here is what Stella from Solid Trust Pay posted at ASA forum. Dear Members - we know that everyone is most eager to know the facts regarding the involvement of the Ontario Police Dept. and Nick Smirnow. SolidTrust can confirm that a detective met at the offices of STPay on Monday, March 23 at which time we were informed that there was a warrant out for the arrest of Mr. Smirnow on charges of fraud. The investigation began as a result of complaints received by the Ontario Police Dept. STPay had received a phone call the week before as well. After that phone call, STPay officially put a hold on the P2P account. Previous to that time, there were no holds or suspensions placed on the account. Immediately after the hold was placed, we sent an email to Nick advising him of the decision and why. While the investigation is ongoing any and all funds residing in the P2P account must be frozen. We are unable to comment on any possible outcome at this time. STPay will be asked for a full list of all transactions for this merchant. After an audit of those transactions, we expect to be informed as to what is required of us in terms of dispersing any remaining funds to those members at a significant loss. We ask that you refrain from contacting STPay in regards to this situation - the above represents all that we are able to comment on. Thank you!
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Smarty at Mar, 29 '09 03:47
Well, now we'll know for sure. It just seems to me that if it had been a ponzi, this would have disappeared a long time ago. There were real problems: admin and overload of server, with uncooperative investors, with payment processors, casinos in the global crises, personal illness etc. A lack of overview and inability to delegate seem to me to be problematic with the CEO.
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Ace Baker at Mar, 29 '09 08:14
There were never any casino investments! How hard is this to understand? There were never any 'real' problems. Just smokescreens and delay tactics. All the same excuses used by every other Ponzi that collapses. And they ALL collapse. Personal illness? You really bought Nicky's line of B.S.didn't you? This is not difficult to figure out. Take off the blinders and accept what your gut has been telling you for 2 years. This was always just a Ponzi scheme. Good luck.
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Ace Baker at Apr, 01 '09 07:21
Any thoughts 'Luke' ha ha ha The following was just posted in the P-2-P forum by a member...Then quickly deleted by the mods. This is information for all members, today Tues 3-31-2009 I spoke with detective Andrew Muller of the OPP. He was very cordial and very revealing of the current state of affairs. Nick Smirnow is currently in the Philippines, there is a warrant for his arrest. No legal authority on behalf of nick has spoken with the authorities. Nick had been trying to transfer over 2 million dollars from his AP account to a bank account in the Philippines without success. The account is frozen and has over 2 million dollars in it. STP is also frozen. Next the opp has seized nicks assets, his house etc. The Ontario provincial police are currently working on gathering information and pursuing the other individuals involved . They will pursue Extradition to force nick into a court proceeding. If you doubt what i have said then contact Detective Andrew Muller your self. It is confirmed ! I am so sorry for everyone who lost there hard earned dollars, and this includes myself. This is in no way a hostile posting but merely facts for all to know and to determine their future in regards to p2p. This is my very first posting and probably my last............
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skywalker at Apr, 01 '09 10:18
Ace, I apologize. I didn't realize you lost money here too. I thought you were just railing against these orgs in general. There are a lot of people who do that. I guess I'm glad I never joined it.
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Ace Baker at Apr, 01 '09 11:41
Nice try. I guess we'll have to add illiterate to your resume. You actually thought I would be so slow as to join one of these ridiculous Ponzi schemes? ha ha Please...by all means,try again. It amuses me.
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skywalker at Apr, 01 '09 13:17
You said, "this includes myself." Were you lying? Oh my gosh, you cannot even take an apology graciously, so I guess you don't deserve one.
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skywalker at Apr, 01 '09 13:17
An man, you are nasty.
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skywalker at Apr, 01 '09 14:26
Ok, folks. Question--do you think you can listen to the rantings of a character who seems to make it his life's passion and desire to call us all idiots and stupid? Credibility shot. And I was just starting to listen. I guess I am stupid. Let him derive pleasure out of that last statement. Ok, go ahead and reply to this and call yourself stupid to make him feel better about himself.
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Ace Baker at Apr, 02 '09 06:44
I'll try and be nice here. Something that is always difficult when presented with such idiocy. (like defending Ponzi schemes) Please READ and notice I posted SOMEONE ELSE'S response. Please take note of the FIRST LINE. I'll help you out...here it is again. "Any thoughts 'Luke' ha ha ha The following was just posted in the P-2-P forum by a member...Then quickly deleted by the mods." Understand now? That means what I copied and pasted was posted by another person. Now go away, you cheer leading shill. Comprehension is a wonderful thing, work on yours a little. Actually, never mind. Just go away.
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P-2-P nemisis at Apr, 02 '09 08:50
Ouch! If any made money with this Ponzi....be warned. Or at least try to skip town if you made a lot of money. This information has come from a reliable source. The wheels are turning and the rats have long left the sinking ship. However, the long arm of the law will get a few of the scurrying scoundrels. Nice. The Feds and IRS are auditing all accounts and you can confirm this with the Ontario Provincial Police. Anyone in profit will have to send their money back so that those who got scammed can be made whole. Looks like the mods wont get away with anything this time. Please Confirm all I just said with Muller. I will be sitting in his office Monday morning to help anyway I can. These scammers need to stop. I hope the Moderators and Admins have paid their taxes as their STP accounts and alertpay accounts WILL be audited and they will be responsible for ALL moneys that they scammed and never paid tax on. =============================================== Also, Mr. Nick had a few other scams in the past. He even borrowed the script from a failed one to use for P-2-P! Unbelievable that anyone fell for his B.S. The chickens are coming home to roost. Could not happen to a more deserving group.
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kevin at Apr, 02 '09 19:14
contact me so i can give you info on more ponzi pushers.
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kevin at Apr, 02 '09 19:15
contact me
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kevin at Apr, 02 '09 19:23
i need an e mail address in order to contact you. or better still give me a phone no. to call you.
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P-2-P nemisis at Apr, 02 '09 19:53
You can't be serious. You think I would give an anonymous poster my personnel info?
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Ace Baker at Apr, 03 '09 06:34
Things are getting out of hand for the Ponzi players. People are now posting info from the 'private' forum of prosperity 2 poorhouse on various forums. The rats have long since left the sinking ship. Only the truly foolish and idiotic can still believe and support this scam.
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kevin at Apr, 03 '09 12:25
in the latest update from april 2nd. it states that nick smirnow will soon be addressing the forum to give his side of the story. why doesnt he do that immediately as he has had more than enough time to do so.
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Biker Dude at Apr, 04 '09 19:05
Yes. I am a U.S. citizen, I have been in touch with Detective Muller and have filed a complaint.
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Smarty at Apr, 05 '09 01:17
There is a new website: www.p2p-thetruth.com. Retaliation..
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kevin at Apr, 05 '09 12:55
just when you think the arrogance of p-2-p administrators will end , all of a sudden we now see the C.E.O. Paul Perrard giving a so called explanation and manages to blame s.t.p. for the demise of p-2-p. the most arrogant assholes that ever lived have been running p-2-p . they have conned people for over 8 months with thier Energy Bank FIASCO and they wont even tell us where the Bernard Madoff of Canada even is right now. they even have the gual to now not even acknowledge that the police are involved and then pretend well be getting a statement from the master swindler slick nick smirnow any day now. if slick nick hasnt done anything wrong why doesnt he simpl;y make a statement and also get himself on a plane and return to Canada and begin the process of saving p-2-p and getting everyone who is waiting to be FINALLY paid thier long overdue money.
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Smarty at Apr, 05 '09 13:23
I'm not going to post here again. I agree that a complaint should have been filed but it's senseless to make more noise. Quite a few billionaires DID go bankrupt during the financial crisis, and they also probably didn't offer "retirement clubs" and shared their profits. I invested here because of the enthusiasm of my young referrer, although I had certain reservations. Smirnow seems to be doing real business, so the best one can hope for is that he would be in a position to pay members some time in future. Perhaps one should only get involved in investment program that requires verification from members, and don't offer more than 100% returns annually and no compounding, which should be possible when the advantages of the Internet are utilized.
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kevin at Apr, 05 '09 13:39
no company had more arrogant assholes running it than slick nick and his p-12-p fellow madoffs. who are they kidding. they have been traeating the members for over a yr. to obnoxious abuse and arrogance. everthing so constantly secretive. cahanging rules constantly. forcing everyone to have to do this and do that and then have it be all for nothing. they are such arrogant assholes that they STILL wont finally come clean and admit to the truths of what was going on all along or what is really happening right now. that scumbag nick smirnow, if he had one ounce of integrity he would simply respond to all this with a statement prepared by an attorney .his karma has caught up to him and he soon will be in the same place as bernard madoff. a pklace where he belongs. he is an arrogant asshole just like most of the scumbags who ran p-2-p.
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kevin at Apr, 05 '09 13:46
im also glad that the i.r.s is going to get involved. the govt. needs to collect taxes to pay for schools, safety, roads etc. and a huge amount of these members do everything they can to avoid ever paying taxes. they are always in one p-2-p program after another. they are money addicts who could care less about anyone else. the members of p-2-p were supposed to tithe 10% of thier earnings to charities etc. and i guarantee that 99% of the members who made monet didnt tithe a freakin dime. i know of one asshole named mimi who bought herself a Cadillac. so much for helping others.
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kevin at Apr, 05 '09 13:58
slick nick and his fellow madoffs brought this upon himself. they had months to explain what was going on yet were so frakin arrogant , they didnt want to even bother, always making everyone wait, i predicted months ago that soon there would be enough really pissed off people that the govt. agencies would be alerted and these arrogant assholes would bring upon their own demise. they treated the members like shit and now the shit has hit the fan and ready to really come down hard on them.now they will get to kmnow what always waiting is really about when thier arrogant asses are sitting inside of a jail. at least bernard madoff when he realized the game was over came clean and turned himself in whereas no one ebven knows where slick nick is. its just a matter of time before Interpol catches him. nick thought by going offshore his p-2-p scam would avoid both canadian and american law enforcement, even some of the greedy members promoted the off shore nonsense. so much for that as an easy way out. slick nick will be extradited in the near future. he is a walking time bomb of bad karma
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Ace Baker at Apr, 06 '09 08:48
Smarty says "Smirnow seems to be doing real business" What real business? There was never any 'real business'. Please provide proof of any 'real business'. You think you will see money from this criminal? Sad indeed.
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kevin at Apr, 06 '09 10:28
in yestredays p-2-p update .from none other than the c.e.o of pathweay-2-ponzi scam paul perrard now claims slick nick is currently in argentina dealing with p-2-p buisness matters. well asshole, tell your boss to get his ponzi scam arrogant ass on a pl;ane and deal with the buisness of your arrest warrant in canada. notice that the idiot paul perrard keeps blaming strict pay and solid trust pay for the fiasco/downfall of p-2-p. yeah paul it had nothing to do with your total freaking incompetence as c.e.o and the dishonesty of slick nick smirnow. your the only c.e.o i ll ever hear of that has no idea where the money is coming from that the company that your the so called c.e.o of has been using to pay everyone. even the lame excuses of the mods pretending to be volunteers who were left out of the loop etc. is so pathetic. here the co. can afford to pay HUGE INTEREST to the members but cant afford to pay a staff of non volunteers to make sure the co. is solvent and not a joke of a ponzi scam. the whol;e fiasco is getting more unbelievable every day. p-2-p is forcing everyone to remain hope addicts yet cleverly never revealing qwhen slick nick is going to finally return to deal with the reality he has created.p-2-p has to be the most pathetic examplwe of the gang that coildnt shoot straight ponzi scam that the world has ever seen. making millions yet needing unpaid volunteers who are uninformed to run the freak show of a company. and yet they still have the stupidity to expect the members to believe in the hope addict fantasy they continue to force eveeryone to buy into. how pasthetic, paul perrard. youer a stupid idiot, a complete arrogant asshole.f.u. f.u. f.u
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Ace Baker at Apr, 06 '09 12:40
'Million Dollar Nick' and his dream, both B.S. Seeing this P.O.S. in a perp walk will be a highlight for a lot of people who were ripped off and stolen from. I have no dog in this fight, but will enjoy seeing this scum get his reward from the authorities.
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kevin at Apr, 06 '09 13:52
Here we go again with more nonsense from pathway-2-ponzi lies.on april 5th the mod named neil bascially is throwing in the towel claiming the mods were also victims as they were at the mercy of the administrators and were never informed of what was ever actually going on. then p-2-p adds more insult by creating a new website to handle the con job public relations. its called p2p-thetruth.com on yesterdays first posting titled Clearing The Air posted by mr. incompetent Paul Perrard who claims to be the so called C.E.O. of pathway-2-Prosperity. in his lame dishonest attempt to continue the con job he explains that slick nick is in Argentina meeting with some unknown investors creating buisness. idiot paul the incompetent c.e.o now wants us to buy that croc of nonsense and actually feel bad for nick etc. And that slick nick had been ill for many months yet he travelled the world on our behalf for many mos. seeking new buisness. He would have us continue to believe that slick nick will soon be like a knight in shining armor coming back with more ill gotten millions to pay all the people they have screwed, if slick nick is indeed in argentina it is because he is probably looking into which so. american country doesnt have an extradition treaty with both Canada and the U.S. PAUL PERRARD , your an a-1 ASSHOLE. even now you avoid telling the truth of anything involving p-2-p but instead continue the over 8 month long never ending con job regarding the ponzi scam that you were the admitted C.E.O. of. youll be brought to justice soon enough then your roll in the p-p fiasco will finally be revealed. dont waste the members time with your evasive nonsense. just tell us when the fcuk the members will ever see a dime of the money that is owed to them. your an asshole and everyone knows it. stop your idioy you scumbag once and for all.
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kevin at Apr, 11 '09 14:06
it has been over a wk. since c.e.o paul perrard wasted everyones time with his evasive website in which he blames s.t.p and strict pay for all the headaches, delays and non payments the past 8 months. it has to be read to appreciate the unprofessionalism of it all. youd have to be an idiot to believe that there is a sincere effort to get the members paid.its more a delay tactic to insure the chances of slick nick making it to a so. american country that wont extradite him. everyone should e mail the incompetent paul perrard and let them know they see right thru his scam and recognize his incredible incompetence.
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Virtual Currency at Apr, 16 '09 08:27
Very nice.
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monkis at Apr, 16 '09 17:10
Interesting new post on 'The Truth About Pathway-2-Prosperity' site under 'Updates'. Looks like CEO Paul cannot remember how to spell his own surname! On the homepage he is Paul Perrard and on the new update he is Paul Perard (less one 'r'). Would the real Paul please stand up!
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Ace Baker at Apr, 16 '09 17:49
ha ha ha Paul Perard. I mean Perrard. What a tool! The 'Truth' site! Classic stuff. Where are all the cheer leaders now? Pathetic losers.
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kevin at Apr, 16 '09 18:52
besides the distracting sideshow that the arrogant bastards at p-2-p are making everyone buy into, the fact remains that there has been not a word from slick nick,whether hes in argentina or the phillipines is irrelevent. whether s.t.p or alert pay is at war with p-2-p is irrelevent. the fact remains that NO ONE frm p-2-p has given any indication when slick nick will be returning and also when will the members FINALLY get even their original investment back. Paul Perrard is an arrogant asshole as nearly all the administrators were. mr. perrard couldnt make as a C.E.O of a small thrift shop never mind an international finance company.
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clifton at Apr, 17 '09 05:57
Most probably there isn't real Paul. Scammers avoid using their real names.
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Linda Zimmerman at Apr, 17 '09 13:42
Can anyone tell me if this email address for Andrew Muller is correct? Andrew.Muller@ontario.ca? I could not send it because the address ciould not be found. Can you email me at lindahbtatmtsdotnet Thank you in advance.
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Ace Baker at Apr, 18 '09 07:48
To all P2P Investors, My name is Jacob Gholson. I am a Untied States Postal Inspector and am also investigating SMIRNOW and P2P. Our investigation was initiated recently therefore I am asking for those investors who have replied to Detective Muller with his questionnaire to also forward a copy to me at jmgholson(at)USPIS.Gov At the time Detective Muller started his investigation there were no U.S. Federal Agencies investigating P2P criminally, but after receiving complaints from U.S. victims that has changed. Nick is being investigated for Mail Fraud, Wire Fraud, and Securities Fraud most likely. If you are a U.S. citizen and wish to verify my identity you may also take my name and phone number to your local U.S. Post Office. They will be able to confirm my name, address, and phone number. If they do not know how, have them call or email me and I will walk them through the steps. The toll free number for the Inspection Service is call 1-877-876-2455 and option 5 will bring you to a live person. Our website is postalinspectors.uspis.gov. I can also be reached via telephone at 618-624-0593. Thank you for your time. Respectfully, Jacob M Gholson U.S. Postal Inspector 1106 Walnut St. St. Louis, MO 63199 Phone: 618-624-0593 https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/
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kevin at Apr, 18 '09 11:48
the u.s.getting involved was inevitable. when the money addict leaders inp-2-ponzi started saying last fall that p-2-pwould be CONDUCTING BUISNESS from then on OFF SHORE and therefore p-2-p would be exempt from canadian and u.s.laws i laughed and tried to inform the female money addicts that they were deluding themselves. sure enough the reality is now going to give the long overdue reality check tothe pathway-2-ponzi pushers, scammers and tax evaders.
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Ricky at Apr, 20 '09 20:56
I have been observing the way Nick types and isn't it ironic that Nick, Paul and "Neil" (on the private forum) have exactly the same typing style, with capitalization's thrown in to prove a point. I have always thought they were the same person. Anyhow, Paul does not seem to be very professional in business anyhow just by his grammer.
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kevin at Apr, 21 '09 08:27
whoever it is who is the so called SPOKESPERSON for patway-2-ponzi isnt doing very much talking now that the authorities are ACTIVELLY pursuing criminal charges against them.perhaps the Queens of PONZI pushing such as vida, julie jewels, lynn cheat and cadillac mimi will do the talking for slick nick .
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kevin at Apr, 23 '09 15:11
i just got an e mail from det. muller yesterday and it was titled ONGOING INVESTIGATION OF NICK SMIRNOW AND OTHERS AT P-2-P. he then said "no real update yet as more warrants, seizures are now being done,the investigation is ongoing and because nick smirnow is still out of the countrythe formal court proceedings can not yet get started." so it obviously doesnt look good for the investors and nick and his asshole co workers are in deep shit.
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kevin at Apr, 23 '09 15:11
i just got an e mail from det. muller yesterday and it was titled ONGOING INVESTIGATION OF NICK SMIRNOW AND OTHERS AT P-2-P. he then said "no real update yet as more warrants, seizures are now being done,the investigation is ongoing and because nick smirnow is still out of the countrythe formal court proceedings can not yet get started." so it obviously doesnt look good for the investors and nick and his asshole co workers are in deep shit.
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KEVIN at Apr, 23 '09 19:42
THE SAD PART IS THAT THE IMVESTORS ARE ONCE AGAIN VICTIMS. YET THE INVESTORS SUCH AS VIDA D. AND HER PONZI PARTNERS JEWELS, LYNN CHEAT AND CADILLAC MIMI LET THEM GET AWAY WITH BEING JERKS RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING.
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Maria at May, 05 '09 22:59
Well here is something for those who think that Nick is doing real business. http://www.ndsecurities.com/uploads/resources/393/...
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Ace Baker at May, 06 '09 08:13
Thanks Maria but that is very old news. Here is something from the past week. Poor Ponzi players. http://www.gravenhurstbanner.com/article/134551 Headline: Baysville man wanted for illegal investment scam ha ha ha ha I can['t wait for the perp walk! Any comments 'Luke' or from the other cheer leaders? Typical. Go play somewhere else, and good riddance to you.
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Maria at May, 06 '09 13:40
Some of my family members had invested in P2P I didn't trust it so I didn't throw any money into it I have been trying to tell my dad that it was a scam but he wouldn't hear it. He said he would even invest 100 for me I said give the money to my and I'll deposit it into my savings it will do better there. THANKS ACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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kevin at May, 15 '09 12:20
whatever you do , dont ever get involved with vida dubinsky, julie boyd, cadillac mimi and lynn money games harrison. they are a sorority of nonstop ponzi pushers, they are BAD KARMA and an indictment ready to happen. im sure many of you are familiar with them as they are ALWAYS in countless pryamid, get rich quick schemes and ponzis of all kinds. they are p-2-p money addicts and like radioactive waste , best to stay away from
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Dave at May, 29 '09 15:58
To all, P2P is definitely a scam. I invested a small amount last Dec., as a test. I have been trying to pull out the return for several months to no avail. The contact page on P2P Network now brings up a blank page and my previous inquiries went unanswered. The P2P Energy site is now gone. I wasn't more than I was willing to lose. My advice, stay away! Thanks - Dave
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Dave at May, 29 '09 16:00
I've ben a member since last Dec, I requested a payout months ago and nothing, not even a reply to my inquiries, the contact page is now a blank page and the energy site is now gone.Any suggestions? Thanks - Dave
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David at May, 29 '09 22:37
I have two suggestions. If you deposited via a web payment processor, you could try to get a refund from them. You could obtain and complete a victim complaint form by contacting either Andy Muller (705-789-5551) Andrew.Muller@ontario.ca or Tonya Hodgin (Tonya.Hodgin@ontario.ca) at the Ontario Provincial Police Department.
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Dave at Jun, 04 '09 14:17
Thanks David, for the advice. Dave
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Eugene Jackson at Jun, 09 '09 08:37
Is there anyway victims of the p2p scam can recieve there intial deposit back
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Dave knop at Jun, 09 '09 10:10
Hi Eugene, If you are in the U.S. or Canada, you can contact the below. I was contactd by him recently. He is working with Canadian authorities and I was told they will try to re-coup initial investments or as much as is available for investors. You can mention that myself, Dave Knop, forwarded you his info as they are trying to contact all known victims. Hope this helps. Thanks. Dave JMGholson@uspis.gov Phone # - 1-877-876-2455
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Roy Lozano at Jun, 12 '09 23:47
P-2-p Its not even online anymore, and they didnt pay since october of 2009, IT WAS A CLEAR SCAM, I lost 300 dollars. but some other people lost a lot of money. P2P TERRIBLE SCAM, CANADIAN THIEFS TOOK OUR AMERICAN MONEY !!!
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kevin at Jun, 15 '09 15:33
when they go after the cadillac mimis, julie"jewels" boyd, lynn money games harrison and p-2-p whore vida dubinsky, the biggest ponzi pushing money addicts in no. america will have been given thier just due along with the managers of p-2-p,c.e.o paul perrard and slick nick smirnow.
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Trish at Jun, 17 '09 00:46
How do you feel about P2P now? I invested 10,600 last year and have not seen a dime return and only see Nick with a warrant out for his arrest? Interested in our thoughts
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Trish at Jun, 17 '09 00:47
still feel the same way?
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Trish at Jun, 17 '09 00:50
Thank you so much.I invested over 10,000, have breast cancer and was hoping to use the returns to pay for my alternative treatments.I now can not do that and on top of it owe money to the people that helped me invest.
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Trish at Jun, 17 '09 00:57
GREAT QUESTION!! Looking forward to an answer
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Dave knop at Jun, 17 '09 10:23
Hi, Please see above for previous post. Here is an option to rec-coup your investment. Thanks. Hi Eugene, If you are in the U.S. or Canada, you can contact the below. I was contactd by him recently. He is working with Canadian authorities and I was told they will try to re-coup initial investments or as much as is available for investors. You can mention that myself, Dave Knop, forwarded you his info as they are trying to contact all known victims. Hope this helps. Thanks. Dave JMGholson@uspis.gov Phone # - 1-877-876-2455
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Paul Russo at Jun, 19 '09 20:26
Hello Dave, I'm one more fool that got ripped-off. I'm in the good ole USA. Let's get these criminals and give them goverment housing. Sincerely, Paul
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Barbara at Jun, 20 '09 00:27
I would very much like to believe you since I have invested in P2P. At the end of my 90 days everything has come to a halt. I have a very hefty balance in the account and I am unable to even open the website. At this point I would be happy if my initial investment were returned to me. I am not spreading rumors, I'm just stating the facts. Should I continue to believe that this will turn out well?
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Barbara at Jun, 20 '09 00:41
I just posted my comments about the hefty sum that supposedly remains in my P2P account and I can't even find them on the web. I am in the US and if there is a way to recoup my investment, count me in.
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moneylove at Jun, 20 '09 07:55
P2P is dead. It was a scam from the beggining. If you got in early you made money. If late you lost it all.
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moneylove at Jun, 20 '09 08:06
I feel for the people who lost tons of money, but then again you should know "THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS FREE MONEY" My friend got me involved but I know he likes MLM an pyrimid schemes. I gave him $200 and said what the hell.I lost gas money for a month. I am sorry for those who lost a lot but you should know better
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carlslegacy at Jun, 21 '09 09:35
In reading more and more about ponzies they make everything sound good at first and then sock you when its time for a return. I was skeptical at first but 3 people I know of, had received money more than they put in, this gave me a little confidence to go with it. Nick (conman) says he has so much money his father left him with and the construction co. and he wants to give back BULL SHI. .Adopting a kid was one excuse after another excuse on top of many excuses, oh and if you were to say any thing negative he threatened to cancel you out of the picture. So now your trapped and you don't want to make waves that night not even get your initial back. How much more money does a billionaire want, to people who barely have anything
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kevin at Jun, 22 '09 11:04
the biggest asshole in p-2-p who always threatened expulsion if one didnt follow the rules is a 7-24-365 money addict named vida dubinsky of boulder , colorado. call her at 720-406-0080 in the u.s. and ask her if she has a way for you to gret your money from her hero nick.
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kevin at Jun, 27 '09 09:38
call vida dubinsky at 720-406-0080 as she speaks to nivck smirnow every week and knows exactly where nick is hiding out. she will relay your need to get reimbused for your losses to nick directly. she is a p-2-p whore and nick hero worshipper. nick and her are really tight. if anyone can get nick to cooperate its vida.
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popey at Jul, 05 '09 11:39
Well Baker am investigaiting the P-2-P I foud tham and am gointo pot there life in ...you one ov a members? You ly, God for you ...
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Eva at Jul, 13 '09 22:37
I am glad I found this site. People I know were still making excuses for this scheme. You really get the low down reading all the comments. I would be so happy to get my money back. However, when they do bring theses people to justice there is all the legal expenses. Wonder if there would be much left. The ponzi scam sure captured my attention for months. What a let down to be dealing with a bunch of crooks. GREED plain and simple.Makes me wonder about the person who brought me in. Lots of bragging about all the money she made. Probably her # one hobby. Recruiting for ponzi schemes.
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Dustin at Jul, 15 '09 11:20
I see the site is no longer online. I sold my telescope to invest into P-2-P after I lost my job hoping that P-2-P might be an answer. I lost $4,000 worth of cash. 10 months later, I could really use some of the money I invested to keep my house from foreclosing.
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Joyce at Aug, 24 '09 23:45
Does anyone beleive we will ever see any return of our deposits. At one point I thought Solid Trust Pay said they would be returning a portion of our deposit.
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Dave at Aug, 25 '09 07:45
Hi all, Contact the below. He is working with Canadian authorities. They are trying to re-coup our $$. I wouldn't bother with Nick or Vida. I highly doubt they care. Hope this helps. Thanks. Jacob M. Gholson U.S. Postal Inspector Chicago Division Office #: (618) 624-0593 JMGholson@uspis.gov
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dan at Sep, 02 '09 23:12
u hate to say it,but if you lost any money ,you deserve it you have to have the brain of a roach not to see these things are total scams i am a forex trader and i could have made you all 10% a month legit
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kevin at Nov, 10 '09 16:33
has anyone heard anything regarding slick nicks whereabouts or p-p info.
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Royal Snowbird at Jun, 01 '10 06:59
Dan - I do not know if you will get this (in case you did lose your home and maybe have to change E-mail in the course of it all) but after reading an article in Yahoo News today, June 1, 2010, I went to see if this scammer's Website was still up - it is! Now, I am not an IT-savvy person and I do not know where the Website is housed or where it comes from and I have not made contact with anyone there but I can feel for your troubles as well as others here. I had been looking for ways to find an investor to help me out to renovate the home of a handicapped person I have taken under my wing and been helping to turn it into a Bed and Breakfast to generate an income to secure his old age and at the same time create a permanent job for me (a single mother) as I would manage it and it never ceases to amaze me how people get scammed when there are genuine people like me out there who need a hand and a change in their lives and can work hard to repay capital with interest if given half a rat's a** chance when I see investors lose and waste their money when there are people like us who deserve a decent chance. I am hoping to perhaps register in the Pepsi 'refresh' contest (where the Pepsi company is giving out money for projects which make a difference in the community - you can get up to 50K there for selected (winning) projects). The catch is the public has to vote for your project and I do not have a big network of friends - and I do not register on Facebook or places like that either because of the serious privacy concerns and laws which these places have been breaking. So, if I can gather a bit of courage this month or even into next month (as awards are given on a monthly basis on the Pepsi site), I am going to apply for this contest - at least we could stand to gain half of the amount we need to go ahead with the most important phases of our project and that would be great if somehow I could get people to vote for it. I wish everyone here good luck and better outcomes in their lives. I am a Christian and never wish any harm upon anyone no matter what faith or walk of life they are from and I find it terrible that unscrupulous people can take advantage of others and often ruin people's lives where some find themselves on the street or see their life's savings gone and have nothing to live on for their old age - it is quite sad indeed. The world is having a rough time as it is and charities are suffering and people cannot rise to the demand for disasters such as Katrina and the Haiti earthquake as they have even lost faith many of them in the manner monies are administered and how aid reaches those it is intended for. After years following the Tsunami in Asia for exmple, many have yet to see aid or rebuild their lives and much money targeted for this is still not used and sitting in bank accounts where it should have been making a difference eons ago and administrators should have gotten their act together on getting the ball rolling a lot more efficiently. It is little surprising that more and more people are sceptical today – more so than ever before. When those who have money to invest get scammed, there is even less to go around to come to the aid of those who genuinely need help. The world is coming to a state where people are colder and pleas fall upon 'deaf ears' - hearts close more and more to pleas of help even in their own backyards - and, it is no wonder after the likes of what we have seen in recent years including the mortgage mismanagement and scams in the USA and beyond. What a sad state of affairs! It will take a Goliath to undo some of this and set the world back on track. One good thing which the USA has done was elect a President who is passionate about his work and who is trying to make the world a better place and people are behind him even if he may not be perfect he is a far cry improvement over Bush. We need more 'yes we can' courage out there - dedicated and devoted people to set examples and show that scammers and illegal activity will not be tolerated as it hurts everyone in the long run - including charities and people in need of aid. I encourage all those who got scammed here to speak up and not remain silent and add you names to the complaint and not fear that you will look stupid or be shamed by this but rather think of the greater service you will contribute to society in adding your voice to this. We are all human and in our human weaknesses some do get lured and caught up in scams and become victims. People as a whole do not look upon the victims as stupid but find it sad that people out there can get caught by a fine-tuned scenario such as this because the people who did this did make hard believers in this who in turn spread the word on their behalf by dishing out some returns on their promises at the onset. This was the danger which set the trap for those who followed and believed their friends, acquaintances and family members. The damage which ensued no doubt went to untold reach when it likely broke many of these relationships and the victims are not to blame. The human tragedies here went far beyond in all likelihood what this may appear to be at face value. If this guy bragged that he killed people, he likely got desperate and got mixed up with money launderers or drug dealers no doubt and killed off his money 'suppliers' (who tried to legitimize their cash) when things got too hot. I would not be surprised if some murders are linked to this story as it seriously got out of hand and should have rang a bell a long time ago and police I hope have their antennae sharp and ready for every eventuality as they trace every clue and paper trail. Good luck in your valuable work. To the victims: be counted - speak up and add your voice and to not remain complacent (as failure to do anything is allowing others to do the same later and sanctioning what is going on by merely letting it happen) - have courage and be strong in all that you do in this. God bless!
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Royal Snowbird at Jun, 01 '10 07:18
There are thieves everywhere - and good and bad people everywhere too - including the USA. Do not stereotype nor tag this onto the names of all Canadians in general. Recall that the canadian government answered 'yes' to help the USA in both the World Wars as well as the Gulf War and Afghanistan - and, years ago, it was Canadian diplomats who saved many Americans out of danger in Iran (I think it was). Canadians have been allies of the USA for decades and you cannot throw us all out like this and expect respect in return if you do - please use some common sense! The economic woes of the USA is sending the entire world in a tailspin and you do not hear people like me put it on the backs of all Americans for the sake of all the mortgage scams which set the ball rolling on this situation. so please, have some respect for the good ones here in Canada!
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Royal Snowbird at Jun, 01 '10 07:31
To Paul Russo: I like your expression 'Lets give them government housing.' Now, that is going to come with no old age pension pretty soon for criminals doing time in jail if a new law can be passed by our government and if we can get them to sit in jail here in Canada. The problem though is that fraud and similar crimes rarely get 'lifetime' jail terms so these criminals could likely get old age pensions anyway on the back of tax payers. . . Judges should be far more strict with criminals like this - those who ruin other people's life and send a much stronger message from the benches of the courts otherwise scammer like this will continue as they know they would not be there for life - they will continue to hide money abroad and they will later get out and enjoy life at the expense of all those who's lives they ruined and society at large. Food for thought. . .
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Royal Snowbird at Jun, 01 '10 07:31
To: casualsh. I just realized too that Norton 360 Anti-virus and Internet site checking states that the P-2-P Network site is SAFE! Someone should start thinking (i.e., the authorities - police, etc.) to alert Norton to place criminal and scammer sites on the UNSAFE list of sites to visit. As the Internet community changes and the laws change in terms of activities which are being done - and how, (i.e., child pornography for example is being dealt with) - the world should look at protecting people from scammers if we care at all about fixing the economy everywhere as it affects us all and this sort of crime should be monitored on the Web to track these down - and deal with them much as they do with pornography - and move ahead and prosecute and arm themselves with the complaints! I could see an international bureau set up where people could lodge complaints to online - and, make it evident to the Internet users around the globe as to where this bureau can be contacted on the Web - make it evident on people's service provider Home Pages and more! If we fail to address this, people will keep in getting abused and taken for a ride and dare we not complain about the economy no more if we remain complacent about it! Let this case serve as a lesson to us all - lets be proactive and do something about it! I would be willing to pay a buck or two to my service provider to help fund this and in turn protect us all from this sort of harm. . . For the price of a cup of coffee, this would generate millions which would help fund such an office and I think that would be money well spent in my view. I would suggest that they start with a Statement of Work and Policy - then make a list of crimes which can be reported to this bureau - including, but not limited to anyone inciting others to commit suicide or luring victims in any manner to rob, rape/assault or kill people. There have been cases like this in recent years - yet, nothing has gone truly ahead to MAKE THE WEB WORLD A SAFER PLACE! The reality in which we live in today with the Web, cries out for such a tool - it is no longer a luxury or mere commodity, it is an outright necessity and a duty for governments and law enforcement to join forces together to deal with crimes on the Internet. What is in place now is not sufficient and all stakeholders concerned should join and CREATE an international force instead of competing and wondering who should lead and which country should do this and jealously hide information at times (to get the glory and credit) and share information to deal with crime more effectively. It is, an OBLIGATION of governments - and hence, the law enforcement groups which work within the boundaries of their lands to protect their citizens and this is no longer something to be left to chance but it is now a MUST DO! The rhetoric and the hot air in the international government meetings has lasted long enough - it is time that they pass to action in a much more defined and concerted effort to contribute to the solution of fighting crime on the Web. We need an International Web Crime Monitor and Complaints Bureau which will take complaints, keep an eye on suspicious activity in these areas, and help gather information, report crimes which will lead to arrests and contribute to making the world safer and protect world economy. This, no doubt will reduce other forms of crime - such as money laundering and drug and arms trafficking no doubt. I am certain this is no news to law enforcement but they need to add their voice to this in a louder way and support this endeavour which will help their work as I would see this Bureau having the immediate responsibility to advise law enforcement in all nations when they have found criminal activity or suspicious activity on the Web. Had such a system existed, all the victims in the USA should not have been fleeced had people who had been robbed of their investments had a place to report these in the first place and law enforcement joined forces to fight things like this. Governments are partially to blame for the fact that this went on for so long and so many victims were made. People should have been warned well before and this is the best reason why such a Bureau is long overdue! Call it an international 'Better Business Bureau' of sorts as well which could flag sites to Web Users (via Norton, McAfee, or other service) which would alert Internet users to be weary of sites they have landed on and give a number of complaints they gave received (as a number WITH a code-level would be good) to alert people that there is a serious problem with a site for example - and - have the monitoring Bureau keep track of when these sites are deactivated and WHERE they resurface to ensure that they provide an ongoing service protection to the public at large. The need to have an international Web crime monitoring body – as the Web transcends the national borders of the world for any number of reasons, is only fitting that such a body be created in this manner and the responsibility not fall upon a single nation but it be a concerted effort amongst nations and provide alerts to citizens at large – much crime could be stomped before it makes more victims. Food for thought folks. . .
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Linda Zimmerman at Jun, 01 '10 10:18
I received an email yesterday that Nick is not what he professes to be. He has been involved in illegal activity prior to this. He has convictions dating back to 1979 of burglary, drug trafficking and possessing stolen property in Canada. Using investors funds he bought himself a 315,000.00 home in Ontario.. He goes by several aliases. Was a look out in a bank robbery in 2000 and was sentenced to 4 years in Prison. Apparently his wife also has been involved in illegal activities. He and his wife are hiding out i n the PHillipines where they won't be caught.
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Kevin at Jun, 01 '10 13:16
Nick Smirnow is probaly hiding out in Boulder Colorado with his hero worshipper Vida dubinsky . call her at 720-406-0080 and she can contact Nick if you want to get a message to him.
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Eugene Jackson at Jul, 08 '10 09:56
I have a question has anyone been able to recieve a refund from the p2p scam, Has the postal inspector JMGOLSON made any latest comments on getting any refunds i would really like to know.
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Linda Zimmerman at Jul, 08 '10 10:01
No Nothing has happened yet. I understand that Nick and his wife are in the Phillipines and their address is now known. They are working with the government to have them extradited to the US/Canada. How far that has proceeded I have not heard. The last I had hear anything was in May.
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Paul at Jul, 08 '10 10:04
I haven't heard any new developments in quite awhile, anyone else?
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Joyce at Jul, 08 '10 13:04
Linda,That sounds like something is happening anyway.Would be great if they came back to Canada and had money!(Fat chance) Where do people find out all this stuff?Good somebody knows something.
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