ITrade4U.biz: We make more than 1.20% daily

Blitz Interview by Xenia Albitska (DELTA)

Delta: I can not really believe that somebody can actually make 6 and more % for a WEEK.
Is this the fantasy or you are using extreme amounts of risk? Let's take a look at the logistics of your program that is paying daily.
Imagine that I invest $100 into your program. Let's look at the route my money has to take.
Firstly you have to transfer the e-Gold into your bank account which takes 1-3 days and costs 3%. My $100 is now $97.
Then you have to transfer the money from your bank account and into your trading account which takes another 1-3 days and can cost 1%. The $97 is now $96 and has not earned any money for up to 6 days. You then need to trade the money, make a profit, withdraw the funds to your bank account which is another 1-3 days and costing 1%. The $96 is now $95.
You transfer the money to your e-gold account - another 1-3 days and costing 3%. The $95 is now $92 plus the earnings. So potentially that could be 2 weeks MY money is not being traded,
yet the program will have been paying me daily starting the very next day on my original investment of $100..



Liz (ITrade4U.biz):

You would be really surprised if I would disclose the result of my trades in March, or February, for example. Much more than the 1.20% daily, on a monthly basis!

"Firstly you have to transfer the e-Gold into your bank account which takes 1-3 days and costs 3%. My $100 is now $97."

Into MY bank account? For me, transfers from e-gold to my bank is much cheaper than 3%. I have special agreements with exchangers, and I pay exactly 0%!

So your $100 is $100 :)

"Then you have to transfer the money from your bank account and into your trading account which takes another 1-3 days and can cost 1%. The $97 is now $96 and has not earned any money for up to 6 days."

You know, I love people who know all about how I work. Yes, I do love them :)

I will tell you a secret: When you send me e-gold, I have the SAME amount in my BANK account the same day at 0%. Then, as my trading account is in the same bank, I have your money in my trading account the same day at 0%.
Great, no?

Sorry but I will not continue to reply to your assertions as they are pure fiction! Your conclusion is even funny: "So potentially that could be 2 weeks MY money is not being traded, yet the program will have been paying me daily starting the very next day on my original investment of $100.."

I will just say that when I receive gold, I sell it quite immediately, I have bots that monitor my account and automatically sends the gold to exchangers I have a deal with. The exchanger has a bank account in the same country that MY bank account. So the transfer of funds is done the same day, at a flat fee that is about equivalent to $5!! I sell $100 or sell $10.000, I sell the gold at 0% and the bank transfer costs me about $5, ok?

The same day I have the funds available for trading.

Transferring funds TO my e-gold account? Why? Until now, payments (daily and payment requests) are covered by the funds that are send by new investors. My bots of course do not transfer all the funds that are invested, but I keep an amount in reserve to pay the daily automatic payments (I know the amount +/- 5% every day in advance) and the manual payments (I estimate according to my statistic). Big amounts if requested will request, you are right here, a transfer from my bank to e-gold. Here my exchanger will receive the money the same day I sent it (the bank fee is about $5 whatever the amount is) and the exchanger will charge 1% to SELL gold to me. OK I pay 1% here! And the gold is in my account! The 1% exchanger fee for me to BUY gold is largely covered by my trades, even after paying you 1.20% daily. Don't forget that I buy gold very rarely, only when I have big payouts to do.

Delta:
Do you have plan for action in case your US hosted site get shut down, because the US law does not allow HYIPs?

Liz (ITrade4U.biz):
I am LEGALLY trading and make profit that I pay to my investors. I am
not a US citizen and have no bank accounts in the US. If US citizens invest
with me, it is THEIR responsibility to do it in accordance with the US
laws.

I would like to add something: Some days ago, somebody contacted my
hosting company telling that I am a scammer, running a "ponzi program".
My hosting company contacted my site administrator and wanted to shutdown
my server. We explained them that I am a real trader, I have all licenses
and registrations to trade, can supply bank documents that show that I
really make profit (so the ponzi allegation becomes nuts), and that finally
only a Court can decide if my program is legitimate or not. I offered that
my lawyer contacts the hosting company, and finally my hosting cmpany told
me that the case was closed. I mean here that I am really not afraid of any
kind of prosecution, am ready to identify myself and show documents (ID,
bank etc) in case of any legal action. Even in the US :)

Delta: A lot of HYIP can not confirm this legal status; For example: LightHalzen (lighthalzen.biz). This site has changed the hosting company ! And Liz Waren could make the discussions with hosting without any problem for her investors! I like this situation very much!

Published at May, 13 '07 ; read 2271 times;

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User comments:

John at May, 13 '07 13:21
Hi Liz, You go GIRL ! You seem rock steady and very sure of yourself and your capability in running your program. Your members should be happy and be able to sleep very night. Will contact you soon .......
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clifton at May, 13 '07 15:09
I have one stupid question for Liz. Why would any exchanger offer you 0% especially for e-gold outexchanges?
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Buzz at May, 16 '07 07:51
I email her and below was her reply : Liz Waren wrote: The reply will be short as I have for principle do not post "often" on third parties forum: I told this a few weeks ago BEFORE the e-gold problems. At this time, exchangers NEEDED egold to fulfill their orders, and so I sold at 0%, even sometimes at PLUS 1% (they gave me more money than I sent gold). This is essentially due to the fact that I sold large amounts, more than $100k every week.
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clifton at May, 16 '07 07:57
Thanks, Buzz. She may be saying the truth. Scriptlance was giving 1% on e-gold deposits really
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Xenia at Jun, 21 '07 14:07
Letter from Liz Warren 20/06/2007 Greetings! The site will be up on THURSDAY June 21st at 11 AM in Costa Rica. I let each of you translate in his local time. The last days have been a nightmare BUT at least all is quite ready now. As you saw, I did NOT send any login/passwords and any "secret site" address, as there is NO secret site, but only the domain itrade4u.biz! But I didn't want to tell it earlier for security reasons. You will access your account on https://itrade4u.biz as before, your login and passwords remain as before. You will see that your accounts were credited every trading day even when the site was offline of course. I did in most of cases NOT reply to emails of people saying "I hope that you will not run with the money", I have no time for this. People who feel so, must THINK BEFORE INVESTING, it will make them avoid to CRY AFTER INVESTING if they don't feel confident. People who asked their money have also received NO reply. ALL investors are in the same program with the SAME rules, and can withdraw their funds when the site will be online! I apologize if some of you sent me emails of "serious content", if I didn't reply, that is simply because I received more than 4000 emails since one week, and I read just some of them, deciding with the subject line! All emails with "Where is the website" for example have not been read!!! This technical "crisis" will have anyway shown me that there are 2 categories of people: Those who are able to UNDERSTAND that problem can happen, and others. For others, I ask them URGENTLY to withdraw their funds from my program and to put them in their bank. There, they will be allowed to go and shout every day in the bank office if they wish so. I am more than tired of such people, and will myself refund about 50 accounts of people unable to understand anything, threatening me to "say that I am a scammer", etc etc. For others, who understood that technical gaps ARE POSSIBLE, I say sincerely "Thank you". See you on Thursday on the Support Center! Today 21/06/2007 site: http://itrade4u.biz/ This Domain is for Sale FAPIC INVEX E-BASTION TROYBANK ITRADE4U OPENTRADE are our most famous projects! Thank you to have helped us to achieve them, and see you soon for the next one! Shalom, David.
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clifton at Jun, 21 '07 14:09
Hey Xenia, thanks for the update
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Stephen at Jun, 24 '07 03:32
Now site reads as this: This domain has been disputed!
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clifton at Jun, 24 '07 05:21
This is interesting. The domain usually can be disputed when the whois owner information is not correct
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Xenia at Jun, 24 '07 17:36
"Liz's" Letter about the bank wires: For bank wires, note that I decided to use a friend's private account as my bank asks a lot of documentation from Senders, before accepting funds! As I guess that sending a notarized copy of a passport and a notarized letter explaining where the funds come from is NOT very ...correct regarding privacy, I prefer use a private account belonging to a friend in Western Europe. Here are the account details. As "memo", do NOT write it is for "investing" nor the program name other wise the bank could request documents. If you are inside the EU, I recommend that you send in EURO. So you will have NO fee for the wire (unless your bank charges some fee for sending wires, I don't know). Euro will be converted into USD at the bank's rate. Your account in itrade4u will be in USD. Payments will be done in USD, but I can send them in EURO at the bank's rate, if you wish so. Please note that I will credit your account of the amount my friend really receives (bank fees can apply), and that if you send other currencies than USD, it will be converted into USD at the current bank's rate. BANK: Name: DEXIA Address: Agence Brussels Stephanie - Place stephanie 8 - Bruxelles 1050 Belgium SWIFT: GKCCBEBB Account: IBAN: BE31063448248755 Account Name: Marc ROY Holder address: 12 cours Paul Doumer - Saintes 17100 - France AFTER you have sent the wire, email me the date of sent, the sender's name and bank name, amount, and your login in my program. °°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°° In the interviw "she" affirms that she get wire transfers from the exchanger at 0% because the exchanger has an account in the same bank she has, and after "she" says that her bank has this policy regarding incoming wires, if this was the bank's policy everyone buying from this exchanger would need to follow this policy, has anyone ever been requested with a notarized passport copy when buying from an exchanger?
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Xenia at Jun, 25 '07 15:55
C'est incroyable!! My Dear Friends, After reading all your cries in various boards, I would like to tell you a few things that you probably did not understand well The basis is that all (I wrote ALL, A-L-L) hyip are scams. NO exception If it would be possible to do 1.20% (or even 1%) by day, EVERY day, why would people go to work at 8 AM every day? They would just sit and look at their growing account Moreover, ALL hyip are MADE TO SCAM, from the very beginning! When I read some idiots saying that HYIP turn into a scam for various reasons, I LAUGH Hyip are scams from the beginning, the GOAL IS TO SCAM! After we closed e-bastion, I told you that we also run Troybank, remember? And that we will close it very soon! I invited, very kindly, you to withdraw your money, giving you a CHANCE to not lose too much Most of you said "bull****"! To make the things more fun, we posted a few days later a message signed by the "Troybank admin" saying that all was bull****, Troybank is online since 1996, a SERIOUS and HONEST bank, etc etc. The result, you remember, hey? We closed Troybank a month later, and laughed reading at your messages But we warned you, WHY didn't you believe us? Today, same thing: I KINDLY, VERY KINDLY tell you that we also run opentrade and that we are going to shut it down. Why do I tell you that? Because I don't want you lose too much Now ladies and gentlemen, do like you want, but be ready to cry sooner than expected I would like to tell you something else: Every time some of you asked Liz (Liz was a GREAT invention, don't you think so? A nice girl So every time you asked LIZ which guarantee we can give, we told you "NO guarantee". So WHY ARE YOU CRYING NOW ? Specialists began to look after us, we are very afraid You needed 5 months to discover that Liz address in London is a hotel ) We just pick up addresses on Google! Easy, hey? Anyway you may go to London and visit this place, please tell me if rooms are comfortable, maybe one day one of us will sleep there Well, you already know I am a very kind guy, so here us a good recommendation: Don't waste your time by looking after us, guys! it will cost you money, and better to keep your money (to give it to our next hyipscam Addresses? False. IP addresses? False. ID for banks? False. Photos on ID? One of us is a GREAT specialist of changing his face! So, his photos, well... Video records in banks? See above about photos So, good luck, Sherlock Holmes I send this letter to a few of you KIND INVESTORS that allowed us to make more than USD 2,000,000 with Liz Waren! Don't wate your time to reply, I won't read your mails! Be ready to our next program, it will open immediately after opentrade will close As Liz told... AND NOW, LET'S MAKE MONEY TOGETHER Shalom, David I send this letter to the following people, sure they will post it To make us identified (a little!!!!), I add their login/password in LIZ program
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clifton at Jun, 25 '07 16:34
Thanks a lot for postin this Xenia. It even deserves it's own entry! Where did you get it?
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Delta at Jul, 15 '07 10:15
Hello! I read all of the articles in TG and MMG! :) And today I have this news: Dear investors-victims of itrade4u.biz! I'm happy to announce that our group of investors was able to get back a part of money you lost in itrade4u form its admin, and we're going to return this money to investors! The sum is big BUT it's enough for only partial returns. Now we are starting to gather the information about investors who have lost their money here. WE HAVE THE CLIENTS DATABASE but we need additional info from you. WE WANT TO MAKE IT AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE, SO WE'LL WAIT THE REQUESTS FROM INVESTROS FOR A MONTH TILL AUGUST 15! After this date we'll start to distribute the money among people who contacted us. Money will be sent to people in corresponding shares (regarding total sum we have). SO, WE NEED THE FOLLOWING FROM YOU IN YOUR REQUESTS: 1. LOGIN used 2. E-GOLD or E-BULLION account number YOU INVESTED FROM, or BANK DETAILS to send money to. 3. TOTAL AMOUNT INVESTED and WITHDRAWN, if you payed through bank, SEND A COPY OF PAYMENT ORDER NOTE: ANY attempt to cheat us will make you to receive exactly NOTHING and make others more rich. Now about payments: Amounts under $1000 will be send to e-gold/e-bullion accounts OR bank accounts. You are to decide. NOTE: IN CASE OF E-GOLD/E-BULLION TRANSFERS, THERE MAY BE A DELAY UP TO 3 TO 4 MONTHS. ALL amounts greater than $1000 will be paid via BANK TRANSFER. NO CHOICE. NOTE: Bank transfers cost $50 per transfer (bank fee). PLEASE SEND YOUR REQUESTS TO THIS E-MAIL: recoverman @ gmail.com. AGAIN: WE'RE WAITING FOR YOU REQUESTS UNTIL AUGUST 15! AFTER THIS DATE WE'RE CALCULATING THE SHARES AND STARTING TO PAY.
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clifton at Jul, 15 '07 11:51
Hm, interesting, thanks for posting, Delta. Do you have any idea who are these guys?
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Xenia at Jul, 16 '07 16:47
Hello, Tony! No, I have not any idea, but this is new letter: Dear investors-victims of itrade4u.biz! I'm happy to announce that our group of investors was able to get back a part of money you lost in itrade4u form its admin, and we're going to return this money to investors! The sum is big BUT it's enough for only partial returns. Now we are starting to gather the information about investors who have lost their money here. WE HAVE THE CLIENTS DATABASE but we need additional info from you. WE WANT TO MAKE IT AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE, SO WE'LL WAIT THE REQUESTS FROM INVESTROS FOR A MONTH TILL AUGUST 15! After this date we'll start to distribute the money among people who contacted us. Money will be sent to people in corresponding shares (regarding total sum we have). SO, WE NEED THE FOLLOWING FROM YOU IN YOUR REQUESTS: 1. LOGIN used 2. E-GOLD or E-BULLION account number YOU INVESTED FROM, or BANK DETAILS to send money to. 3. TOTAL AMOUNT INVESTED and WITHDRAWN, if you payed through bank, SEND A COPY OF PAYMENT ORDER NOTE: ANY attempt to cheat us will make you to receive exactly NOTHING and make others more rich. Now about payments: Amounts under $1000 will be send to e-gold/e-bullion accounts OR bank accounts. You are to decide. NOTE: IN CASE OF E-GOLD/E-BULLION TRANSFERS, THERE MAY BE A DELAY UP TO 3 TO 4 MONTHS. ALL amounts greater than $1000 will be paid via BANK TRANSFER. NO CHOICE. NOTE: Bank transfers cost $50 per transfer (bank fee). PLEASE SEND YOUR REQUESTS TO THIS E-MAIL: recoverman @ gmail.com AGAIN: WE'RE WAITING FOR YOU REQUESTS UNTIL AUGUST 15! AFTER THIS DATE WE'RE CALCULATING THE SHARES AND STARTING TO PAY. *********** I am the person who recovered a large amount of money from one of the scammers from what we can call "David's network". This guy is living in Western Europe and was identified after investigations in some banks of Belgium where "Liz" had opened account. I will not discuss HOW I could identify exactly the person, nor which ways I had to use to recover a part of money that was scammed. With the money I could get some files, part of the database of investors. This file contains the login, the account number, the amount invested and the amount paid back. The amount of money I have got is HIGH, a few hundred of thousands USD. I have now the choice between 2 ways: Or I keep all for me, or I try to payback LIZ victims. As there is no EMAIL ADDRESS in the file I have got, I can not contact the investors. I will for sure not just send any money to the account numbers for various reasons, including that the amount I have recovered, even HIGH, is a small part of all the money that has been "invested". That is why I decided that people who want to get back their money MUST contact me and tell me their LOGIN, account number, invested amount and paid amounts. People who shut up do not care about their money, so I will not send anything to them. I read that some stupid guys are afraid to send these details. Afraid of what? They weren't afraid to send money to scammers, and are afraid to send a LOGIN and account number? Ok, don't send anything, your money will be lost for you. Period. WHY did I decide that there will be 3 or 4 months delay for payments by gold or bullion? Just because I can not send a wire to buy for example $500.000 gold or bullion!!!! WHICH exchanger can handle this transaction? I will buy gold and bullion little by little, and that will TAKE TIME! People who are not able to understand that can begin to forget their money, no need to contact me to ask anything. WHY did I say that payments above $1000 will be sent ONLY by bank? For the same reason than above! Less I will have to buy gold/bullion, better it will be. People who have a balance over $1000 and don't want receive a bank wire: NO NEED TO CONTACT ME, just forget your money. I am tired of reading such BS on TG and other forum! I took physical risks to recover the money, I am not ready to read or hear BS from asholes who just sit on their chair and cry. In other words: OR you accept my rules, OR you forget your money. For those who accept my rules, SEND your login, account number (if invested by bank, just tell that you invested by bank), amount invested, amount paid. ANY ERROR will make your record canceled, and you will NOT receive one cent. Nothing. So calculate correctly! I will calculate everybody's BALANCE. I will ADD all balances that will make the TOTAL TO PAY. At August 16th, all will be terminated: I will pay everybody like this: SUMTOPAY = [BALANCE / TOTALTOPAY] * [SUMRECOVERED] Of course SUMTOPAY will be LESS than what you have really lost! Why? because I recovered ONLY a PART of the total amount that David's team scammed!!! People whose SUMTOPAY is $1000 and more will be contacted by email and they will have to send me bank details. If they don't want, their money will go directly to MY POCKET. Period. People who send their bank details will receive a wire from an offshore bank account, of SUMTOPAY minus $50 (bank fee). People whose SUMTOPAY is less than $1000 will BEGIN TO BE PAID in gold or bullion, to their account that is in the file. The biggest amounts will be paid the first. People who want CHANGE their account number can already forget their money, that will go directly to MY POCKET. I am working with a friend that posted the first message on 2 or 3 forum. Send the details to him. On my side, NO NEED to ask sepcial conditions for ANY reasons! MOST of you were ready to forget their money, so now there is the choice: Or completely forget it, or accept my rules. NO third way.
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Larry Steinborn at Oct, 24 '07 13:36
Liz really was a scammer first class. Her site went down and so did she.
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